Reality of Alston:


Reality of Alston:
One thing I have to give it to Kenyan (busy Bodies) Civil society. They have at least kept the Thieves in GCG under lock and key and lit a lot of fire in their collective butts. When I first learnt that the Rapporteur (whatever this means) was coming to investigate EJKs I wondered why UN was getting involved while we have KHNRC little did I know that the “smoking Gun” was the intelligence Leak of Naivasha massacre. If PNU idiots would have listened to most of us who cautioned them against going to naivasha and getting involved in militia affairs they would still be enjoying their stolen erections. However, arrogance and pride knows no boundaries. General Ali, Amos Wako, Michuki and Professor Saitoti are now waiting the case to be reffered to Ole Campo and once the file goes to Hague or any other proscecutorial juridistion (game is over for Kibaki). The international community have decided to use the “rule of law” to remove Kibaki from His “duly stolen Position” The eyes right now are all focused at state house nairobi nothing more nothing less. Once they get Amos to talk the files the intelligence briefings will be in the hands of UN and as we know this intelligence will be used to Order a Geneva investigation on PEV.
Either way we Look the Toad has very limited options but he still have hope to continue if he can do the following

What should Kibaki Do?
Work day and nite to ensure that Power sharing becomes a reality and not a Nusu Mkeka and no choo type of madharau
Work day and nite to ensure that Bomas Draft sees the right of the day. Comprehensive Reforms No Piece meal reforms.
Crack the whip by Firing Ali ASAP.. And Amos Wako
Reshuffle the cabinet and remove both saitoti and Michuki from cabinet. Order the new AG to proscecute these two ASAP
Institute criminal charges against the mps named in waki list both Odm and PNU
Hire a high level lobbyist to make his case in washington
Fire Dr Mutua and hire a Seasoned Journalist who can be spokesperson and PR Manager
Shelf All future succession plans. PUT a lid on Uhuru and saitoti
Make a deal with Raila to endorse him in 2012
Take his kids and family out of contention of any political office
Etc etc

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Reality of Alston:
One thing I have to give it to Kenyan (busy Bodies) Civil society. They have at least kept the Thieves in GCG under lock and key and lit a lot of fire in their collective butts. When I first learnt that the Rapporteur (whatever this means) was coming to investigate EJKs I wondered why UN was getting involved while we have KHNRC little did I know that the “smoking Gun” was the intelligence Leak of Naivasha massacre. If PNU idiots would have listened to most of us who cautioned them against going to naivasha and getting involved in militia affairs they would still be enjoying their stolen erections. However, arrogance and pride knows no boundaries. General Ali, Amos Wako, Michuki and Professor Saitoti are now waiting the case to be reffered to Ole Campo and once the file goes to Hague or any other proscecutorial juridistion (game is over for Kibaki). The international community have decided to use the “rule of law” to remove Kibaki from His “duly stolen Position” The eyes right now are all focused at state house nairobi nothing more nothing less. Once they get Amos to talk the files the intelligence briefings will be in the hands of UN and as we know this intelligence will be used to Order a Geneva investigation on PEV.
Either way we Look the Toad has very limited options but he still have hope to continue if he can do the following

What should Kibaki Do?
Work day and nite to ensure that Power sharing becomes a reality and not a Nusu Mkeka and no choo type of madharau
Work day and nite to ensure that Bomas Draft sees the right of the day. Comprehensive Reforms No Piece meal reforms.
Crack the whip by Firing Ali ASAP.. And Amos Wako
Reshuffle the cabinet and remove both saitoti and Michuki from cabinet. Order the new AG to proscecute these two ASAP
Institute criminal charges against the mps named in waki list both Odm and PNU
Hire a high level lobbyist to make his case in washington
Fire Dr Mutua and hire a Seasoned Journalist who can be spokesperson and PR Manager
Shelf All future succession plans. PUT a lid on Uhuru and saitoti
Make a deal with Raila to endorse him in 2012
Take his kids and family out of contention of any political office
Etc etc

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#2 Yesterday 09:59:39
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Re: Reality of Alston:What are they going to do?

Promise to reform then go silent. Like everything else, it will come to pass.

Who is talking about Waki, Hague, Akiwumi, Kiliku, G’Berg……………

Who has paid for anything in Kenya?

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#3 Yesterday 10:01:01
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Re: Reality of Alston:You are spot on Njamba.
Kibaki messed up big time by organising PEV right from SH.
Kibaki isn’t doing enough…and is making things bad with mungiki killing
I know he knows the coalition (proper & functioning one) is he’s only hope.
If he screw up with grand coalition..then plan B will move in…that why raila is idiot not squeeze everything out of it.
Right now intl community is interested in baby sitting GCG until viable option comes out..or rather new election.
Kibaki has no chance in USA & UK..or pretty much elsewhere except maybe China.
Obama knows everything…no amount of lobbying will change that.
Kibaki & PNU have learnt nothing…and are busy trying to silence NGOs & civil society.
Maina kiaia is on the run..so are many KNHCR staff & commisioners.

During times like this real leaders like MOI knew what to do. He knew when to tell saitoti & kamotho..f off..section 2 will be repealed.Kibaki has to loosen up, sacrifice some folk, change tact , work his charm and pray GOD.
If he fuacks with Kenya (sort of leaving it tether on civil war again) he’ll pay it Saddam style..it very easy to send him to hague.

I expect good times for NGOS esp dealing with governance and reforms..money will flow into their coffers.

Alston though did and has managed to achieve some sucess..Kwekwe squad was silently disbanded…and Vigilante facilitated to do the job.

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#4 Yesterday 10:01:29
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Re: Reality of Alston:Njamba wrote:
Reality of Alston:
One thing I have to give it to Kenyan (busy Bodies) Civil society. They have at least kept the Thieves in GCG under lock and key and lit a lot of fire in their collective butts. When I first learnt that the Rapporteur (whatever this means) was coming to investigate EJKs I wondered why UN was getting involved while we have KHNRC little did I know that the “smoking Gun” was the intelligence Leak of Naivasha massacre. If PNU idiots would have listened to most of us who cautioned them against going to naivasha and getting involved in militia affairs they would still be enjoying their stolen erections. However, arrogance and pride knows no boundaries. General Ali, Amos Wako, Michuki and Professor Saitoti are now waiting the case to be reffered to Ole Campo and once the file goes to Hague or any other proscecutorial juridistion (game is over for Kibaki). The international community have decided to use the “rule of law” to remove Kibaki from His “duly stolen Position” The eyes right now are all focused at state house nairobi nothing more nothing less. Once they get Amos to talk the files the intelligence briefings will be in the hands of UN and as we know this intelligence will be used to Order a Geneva investigation on PEV.
Either way we Look the Toad has very limited options but he still have hope to continue if he can do the following

What should Kibaki Do?
Work day and nite to ensure that Power sharing becomes a reality and not a Nusu Mkeka and no choo type of madharau
Work day and nite to ensure that Bomas Draft sees the right of the day. Comprehensive Reforms No Piece meal reforms.
Crack the whip by Firing Ali ASAP.. And Amos Wako
Reshuffle the cabinet and remove both saitoti and Michuki from cabinet. Order the new AG to proscecute these two ASAP
Institute criminal charges against the mps named in waki list both Odm and PNU
Hire a high level lobbyist to make his case in washington
Fire Dr Mutua and hire a Seasoned Journalist who can be spokesperson and PR Manager
Shelf All future succession plans. PUT a lid on Uhuru and saitoti
Make a deal with Raila to endorse him in 2012
Take his kids and family out of contention of any political office
Etc etc

Railamania taken to new heights.

GoK has admitted extrajudicial killings but refused to dispense with the Ali/Wako partnership. And this statement was delivered BY GoK James Orengo, MP

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#5 Yesterday 10:03:25
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Re: Reality of Alston:Mkuria wa Ntimaru,
I think you do not understand the game here. It is a zero sum game aimed at Kibaki and he must think on his feet or find himself like Taylor running to no where.
Either way I think the international community is doing the right thing by pressuring GCG to enact reforms coz the alternative is a genocide

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#6 Yesterday 10:04:46
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Re: Reality of Alston:Kunadawa wrote:
Njamba wrote:
Reality of Alston:
One thing I have to give it to Kenyan (busy Bodies) Civil society. They have at least kept the Thieves in GCG under lock and key and lit a lot of fire in their collective butts. When I first learnt that the Rapporteur (whatever this means) was coming to investigate EJKs I wondered why UN was getting involved while we have KHNRC little did I know that the “smoking Gun” was the intelligence Leak of Naivasha massacre. If PNU idiots would have listened to most of us who cautioned them against going to naivasha and getting involved in militia affairs they would still be enjoying their stolen erections. However, arrogance and pride knows no boundaries. General Ali, Amos Wako, Michuki and Professor Saitoti are now waiting the case to be reffered to Ole Campo and once the file goes to Hague or any other proscecutorial juridistion (game is over for Kibaki). The international community have decided to use the “rule of law” to remove Kibaki from His “duly stolen Position” The eyes right now are all focused at state house nairobi nothing more nothing less. Once they get Amos to talk the files the intelligence briefings will be in the hands of UN and as we know this intelligence will be used to Order a Geneva investigation on PEV.
Either way we Look the Toad has very limited options but he still have hope to continue if he can do the following

What should Kibaki Do?
Work day and nite to ensure that Power sharing becomes a reality and not a Nusu Mkeka and no choo type of madharau
Work day and nite to ensure that Bomas Draft sees the right of the day. Comprehensive Reforms No Piece meal reforms.
Crack the whip by Firing Ali ASAP.. And Amos Wako
Reshuffle the cabinet and remove both saitoti and Michuki from cabinet. Order the new AG to proscecute these two ASAP
Institute criminal charges against the mps named in waki list both Odm and PNU
Hire a high level lobbyist to make his case in washington
Fire Dr Mutua and hire a Seasoned Journalist who can be spokesperson and PR Manager
Shelf All future succession plans. PUT a lid on Uhuru and saitoti
Make a deal with Raila to endorse him in 2012
Take his kids and family out of contention of any political office
Etc etc

Railamania taken to new heights.

GoK has admitted extrajudicial killings but refused to dispense with the Ali/Wako partnership. And this statement was delivered BY GoK James Orengo, MP

I am analyst so blame me for bias but I am airing my opinion what is yours my dear PANUA

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#7 Yesterday 10:06:38
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Alston investigated the Extra judicial killings of mostly Mungiki suspected youth who were taken from their homes by police never to return.
Also investigated how the SLDF mission was carried out.

Wachana na Tequilla pwana.

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#8 Yesterday 10:09:26
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Re: Reality of Alston:Pundit agreed.. Kibaki is in a situation that the devil will be unhappy to be in. very delicate if International community gets tired they will smoke him like the did with many others before him. Kibaki fate may end up ala Lumumba or Milosevic, taylor et al

I think it makes matters worse that Tanzania or Uganda do not like Kenya situation a bit and Kagame is turning to be hard to corner.

Anyway these are results of deception

Who ever organize the hit from statehouse killed Kibaki

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#9 Yesterday 10:10:12
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Re: Reality of Alston:PEV is extrajudicial killings. Prof Alson/KNCHR as of yesterday @UN mention that police killed 400 folks during pev–and have yet to charge any one of them–except the rambo kirui.

Mr FixIt wrote:
njamba

Alston investigated the Extra judicial killings of mostly Mungiki suspected youth who were taken from their homes by police never to return.
Also investigated how the SLDF mission was carried out.

Wachana na Tequilla pwana.

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#10 Yesterday 10:10:32
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Re: Reality of Alston:Mr FixIt wrote:
njamba

Alston investigated the Extra judicial killings of mostly Mungiki suspected youth who were taken from their homes by police never to return.
Also investigated how the SLDF mission was carried out.

Wachana na Tequilla pwana.

Agreed and I understand this but the reason why it was investigated is becoz of request made by KHNRC and civil society.. People like Muite did the intelligence work of providing details about how arms were bought etc

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#11 Yesterday 10:14:29
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Re: Reality of Alston:It could have been easy..however with country split evenly & ODM misbehaving kibaki has some breathing space. However it will reach a time..that intl community will say fuack it..esp if somali continues on that bath.

Key challenge for civil society & ODM..is enactment of new constitution…in the meantime the pressure is good.

Njamba wrote:
Pundit agreed.. Kibaki is in a situation that the devil will be unhappy to be in. very delicate if International community gets tired they will smoke him like the did with many others before him. Kibaki fate may end up ala Lumumba or Milosevic, taylor et al

I think it makes matters worse that Tanzania or Uganda do not like Kenya situation a bit and Kagame is turning to be hard to corner.

Anyway these are results of deception

Who ever organize the hit from statehouse killed Kibaki

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#12 Yesterday 10:20:00
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Re: Reality of Alston:Its great that Orengo for GoK released the statement agreeing on extrajudicial killings in Kenya (which in any case is common knowledge), stating that investigations were ongoing, and that the WakAli (Wako plus Ali) partnership was go’n nowhere

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#13 Yesterday 10:20:10
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New member Re: Reality of Alston:ha…ha…….ha…..wow…..delusional morons mesquerading as analysts….lol…you people should stick to your cubicle jobs if you haven’t been laid off. Political analysis is not your mantra….you have been wrong on every prediction….just like trashy morris, you guys are more emotional than clever……kibaki is not going anywhere untill 2012..just the other day the US ambasador lambasted both sides for too much talk and slow reforms…Raila was shunned in USA like swine flu…..the US may not like kibaki that much but they know between the two, he is the more stable alternative. If you think the US cares more about kogelo residents than lets say, kale worriors…..you need to see a shrink very quickly….The US and EU are about one thing….their interests.

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#14 Yesterday 10:21:37
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Re: Reality of Alston:githeri wrote:
ha…ha…….ha…..wow…..delusional morons mesquerading as analysts….lol…you people should stick to your cubicle jobs if you haven’t been laid off. Political analysis is not your mantra….you have been wrong on every prediction….just like trashy morris, you guys are more emotional than clever……kibaki is not going anywhere untill 2012..just the other day the US ambasador lambasted both sides for too much talk and slow reforms…Raila was shunned in USA like swine flu…..the US may not like kibaki that much but they know between the two, he is the more stable alternative. If you think the US cares more about kogelo residents than lets say, kale worriors…..you need to see a shrink very quickly….The US and EU are about one thing….their interests.

You know if you could debunk our analysis we would oblige your intelligence

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#15 Yesterday 10:26:22
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Re: Reality of Alston:Njamba: Wake up from you ‘goog’ dream. You are imagining too much. For Toad, this too shall pass. I will bet you goat, this is going no where, until 2012. I said earlier, Wako maybe put on the alter for dog-and-pony show. Even UN know that real PEV is RVPundits and Raila Fools, and if they dont Fckkk them and their report. We can run our country as we have since H.E. was sworn in, and we are doing fine, until 2012. If they or anyone is interested in real change, deal with real issue. Real issue here is mungiki menace that is of no interest to dysfunctional UN.

Njamba wrote:
Reality of Alston:
One thing I have to give it to Kenyan (busy Bodies) Civil society. They have at least kept the Thieves in GCG under lock and key and lit a lot of fire in their collective butts. When I first learnt that the Rapporteur (whatever this means) was coming to investigate EJKs I wondered why UN was getting involved while we have KHNRC little did I know that the “smoking Gun” was the intelligence Leak of Naivasha massacre. If PNU idiots would have listened to most of us who cautioned them against going to naivasha and getting involved in militia affairs they would still be enjoying their stolen erections. However, arrogance and pride knows no boundaries. General Ali, Amos Wako, Michuki and Professor Saitoti are now waiting the case to be reffered to Ole Campo and once the file goes to Hague or any other proscecutorial juridistion (game is over for Kibaki). The international community have decided to use the “rule of law” to remove Kibaki from His “duly stolen Position” The eyes right now are all focused at state house nairobi nothing more nothing less. Once they get Amos to talk the files the intelligence briefings will be in the hands of UN and as we know this intelligence will be used to Order a Geneva investigation on PEV.
Either way we Look the Toad has very limited options but he still have hope to continue if he can do the following

What should Kibaki Do?
Work day and nite to ensure that Power sharing becomes a reality and not a Nusu Mkeka and no choo type of madharau
Work day and nite to ensure that Bomas Draft sees the right of the day. Comprehensive Reforms No Piece meal reforms.
Crack the whip by Firing Ali ASAP.. And Amos Wako
Reshuffle the cabinet and remove both saitoti and Michuki from cabinet. Order the new AG to proscecute these two ASAP
Institute criminal charges against the mps named in waki list both Odm and PNU
Hire a high level lobbyist to make his case in washington
Fire Dr Mutua and hire a Seasoned Journalist who can be spokesperson and PR Manager
Shelf All future succession plans. PUT a lid on Uhuru and saitoti
Make a deal with Raila to endorse him in 2012
Take his kids and family out of contention of any political office
Etc etc

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#16 Yesterday 10:30:09
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Re: Reality of Alston:Njamba, Good analysis, kibaki will have to swallow a bitter pill
remember obama is still holding the architect of Aglo-fleecing? mambo bado.

I dont think Kenya is ready for a new costitution at this point anything close to a general
election will split the country. Kibaki should stay untill 2012 but make sure he take care of all unpopular and explosive issue, mainly Agenda 4, clean up judiciary, police and prosecute major corruption cases.

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#17 Yesterday 10:34:11
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Re: Reality of Alston:Njamba, largely agreed. Except why wait until 2012? If you fire Ali, Wako and Gicheru today, is there any good reason why Kenyans should be forced to live with the thief until 2012?

Njamba wrote:
Reality of Alston:
One thing I have to give it to Kenyan (busy Bodies) Civil society. They have at least kept the Thieves in GCG under lock and key and lit a lot of fire in their collective butts. When I first learnt that the Rapporteur (whatever this means) was coming to investigate EJKs I wondered why UN was getting involved while we have KHNRC little did I know that the “smoking Gun” was the intelligence Leak of Naivasha massacre. If PNU idiots would have listened to most of us who cautioned them against going to naivasha and getting involved in militia affairs they would still be enjoying their stolen erections. However, arrogance and pride knows no boundaries. General Ali, Amos Wako, Michuki and Professor Saitoti are now waiting the case to be reffered to Ole Campo and once the file goes to Hague or any other proscecutorial juridistion (game is over for Kibaki). The international community have decided to use the “rule of law” to remove Kibaki from His “duly stolen Position” The eyes right now are all focused at state house nairobi nothing more nothing less. Once they get Amos to talk the files the intelligence briefings will be in the hands of UN and as we know this intelligence will be used to Order a Geneva investigation on PEV.
Either way we Look the Toad has very limited options but he still have hope to continue if he can do the following

What should Kibaki Do?
Work day and nite to ensure that Power sharing becomes a reality and not a Nusu Mkeka and no choo type of madharau
Work day and nite to ensure that Bomas Draft sees the right of the day. Comprehensive Reforms No Piece meal reforms.
Crack the whip by Firing Ali ASAP.. And Amos Wako
Reshuffle the cabinet and remove both saitoti and Michuki from cabinet. Order the new AG to proscecute these two ASAP
Institute criminal charges against the mps named in waki list both Odm and PNU
Hire a high level lobbyist to make his case in washington
Fire Dr Mutua and hire a Seasoned Journalist who can be spokesperson and PR Manager
Shelf All future succession plans. PUT a lid on Uhuru and saitoti
Make a deal with Raila to endorse him in 2012
Take his kids and family out of contention of any political office
Etc etc

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#18 Yesterday 10:42:23
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Frequent Re: Reality of Alston:I dare say let the ODM , US and EU and UN pile pressure on Kibaki to implement the Waki report. Thats what I really want. Wako has been the embodiement of impunity I agree with Alston.

PEV was caused by ODM planned majimbo, evictions . Naivasha was a retaliatory attack.. but the main goons to suffer is ODM. And the cowardly child killers.

Moi rigged his way into power twice and there was no violence. Its a well known fact.

I know my God will punish the instigators of the worst violence to have occured in Kenya. From both sides of the political divide. If it touches Kibaki then I am also sure Raila will be smeared badly.

Nuff said.

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#19 Yesterday 10:45:38
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Re: Reality of Alston:now go to the toilet and cry.

Mr FixIt wrote:
I dare say let the ODM , US and EU and UN pile pressure on Kibaki to implement the Waki report. Thats what I really want. Wako has been the embodiement of impunity I agree with Alston.

PEV was caused by ODM planned majimbo, evictions . Naivasha was a retaliatory attack.. but the main goons to suffer is ODM. And the cowardly child killers.

Moi rigged his way into power twice and there was no violence. Its a well known fact.

I know my God will punish the instigators of the worst violence to have occured in Kenya. From both sides of the political divide. If it touches Kibaki then I am also sure Raila will be smeared badly.

Nuff said.

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#20 Yesterday 10:46:44
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Re: Reality of Alston:RV Pundit wrote:
PEV is extrajudicial killings. Prof Alson/KNCHR as of yesterday @UN mention that police killed 400 folks during pev–and have yet to charge any one of them–except the rambo kirui.

Mr FixIt wrote:
njamba

Alston investigated the Extra judicial killings of mostly Mungiki suspected youth who were taken from their homes by police never to return.
Also investigated how the SLDF mission was carried out.

Wachana na Tequilla pwana.

The culpability of police in the killing of rioting mobs during PEV is questionable. Perversely many commentators accused the govt of using too little force or not acting enough to stop the PEV

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#21 Yesterday 10:52:28
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Re: Reality of Alston:maybe in your little head.
LUOS suffered the most killing by police..more than 200…yet they were mere protestators and looters…that exclude those who suffered serious injuries…

Police are suppose to use reasonable forces…

shooting luo protesting a stolen election in BROAD daylight…is not reasonable use of force..

shooting demonstrator on daylight using LIVE BULLETS is not.

Issueing SHOT to Kill order on demonstrator is NOT.

Shooting underrage kids, women and old folks under guise of protecting life & property is madness.

Police who shot warriors trying to kill madoadoa can at least defend themself…however we know warriors attacked mostly at night…and based on guerrilla tactis.

Kalenjin men & women who died were mostly killed in towns during peaceful turned violent demos…not warriors in battlefields…including right inside MOI refferal hospital when police pursue demonstrators and killed them there.

most of those who died from police bullet where shot from the back…fleeing.

Kunadawa wrote:
The culpability of police in the killing of rioting mobs during PEV is questionable. Perversely many commentators accused the govt of using too little force or not acting enough to stop the PEV

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#22 Yesterday 11:03:59
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Re: Reality of Alston:your silly arguments hold no water, as usual. Ok supposing the police used less forces (sic). Since they were heavily outnumbered as you brag here day and night, the violences (sic again) would have spiralled out of control necessitating military intervention resulting in heavier violences (sic again tena) and thus greater nung’unikaring by the ODMorons.

What comes to light is how the police cleared roadblocks in warrior-land (eldie na kadhalika) with ruthless efficiency, forcing the warriros to remove stones and logs while being whipped mercilessly, mpaka the elders started calling for the police to be returned

RV Pundit wrote:
maybe in your little head.
LUOS suffered the most killing by police..more than 200…yet they were mere protestators and looters…that exclude those who suffered serious injuries…

Police are suppose to use reasonable forces…

shooting luo protesting a stolen election in BROAD daylight…is not reasonable use of force..

shooting demonstrator on daylight using LIVE BULLETS is not.

Issueing SHOT to Kill order on demonstrator is NOT.

Shooting underrage kids, women and old folks under guise of protecting life & property is madness.

Police who shot warriors trying to kill madoadoa can at least defend themself…however we know warriors attacked mostly at night…and based on guerrilla tactis.

Kalenjin men & women who died were mostly killed in towns during peaceful turned violent demos…not warriors in battlefields…including right inside MOI refferal hospital when police pursue demonstrators and killed them there.

most of those who died from police bullet where shot from the back…fleeing.

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The culpability of police in the killing of rioting mobs during PEV is questionable. Perversely many commentators accused the govt of using too little force or not acting enough to stop the PEV

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#23 Yesterday 11:06:02
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Re: Reality of Alston:Pundit tell them there are rules of keeping order
anyway let us see who is has the muscle

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#24 Yesterday 11:11:18
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Re: Reality of Alston:hehehe..i see you’re grasping at the straws…logic hakuna.

fact is… kenya has functioning NSIS…that anticipitated what would happen if election were to be disputed…kibaki & police sat on the report…Kibaki had enough time to plan for rigging..but no time to plan how to deal with demos..except ceiling off uhuru & shooting luos in kisumo/kibera to oblivion.

another fact..instead of sending force to troublespot…they send half the squad to Uhuru park…and another half the squad…to you guess where…nyeri..isiolo..manyani..wajir..since they were from non-pnu zones and hence could not be relied to shot their mothers & sisters…most luo/luhya/kalenjin aps & GSUS were either having ‘fun’ at camps or on transit from marsabit..then to turkana..then to garissa..

another fact…kenya has enough rubber bullets…nobody used them.

Army did a wonderful job…in nakuru..and in clearing roadblock..which police had been unable to…they used diplomatic and reasonable force..including whipping & frogmarching warriors from cheptiret to eldoret town…they did NOT kill a single soul.

Army messed up in mt elgon…by carpet bombing and using brute force…since they didn’t have or trusted intelligences…they ended making everyone a SDLF.

now fool…try defending the indefensible in mashada..sio hapa.

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your silly arguments hold no water, as usual. Ok supposing the police used less forces (sic). Since they were heavily outnumbered as you brag here day and night, the violences (sic again) would have spiralled out of control necessitating military intervention resulting in heavier violences (sic again tena) and thus greater nung’unikaring by the ODMorons.

What comes to light is how the police cleared roadblocks in warrior-land (eldie na kadhalika) with ruthless efficiency, forcing the warriros to remove stones and logs while being whipped mercilessly, mpaka the elders started calling for the police to be returned

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#25 Yesterday 11:12:42
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Re: Reality of Alston:Pundit do not waste time with these dunder heads

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Njamba wrote:
Pundit tell them there are rules of keeping order
anyway let us see who is has the muscle

Keeping order in Amerigha you can rely on the due process therefore less extrajudicial killing, though we have seen enough images to the contrary in LA and NY NY where nyeuthi brothas are on the receiving end.

Hapa Ghenya you need to think outside the box use kidogo force as was so successfully demonstrated in PEV, and with SLDF, the Rastas and Wanugus, and the Mungiki. And if the police relax on the extrajudicial wananichi can always erect a quasi-judicial court at The Hague somewhere in Karatina

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#27 Yesterday 11:20:44
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Re: Reality of Alston:Kunadawa wrote:
Njamba wrote:
Pundit tell them there are rules of keeping order
anyway let us see who is has the muscle

Keeping order in Amerigha you can rely on the due process therefore less extrajudicial killing, though we have seen enough images to the contrary in LA and NY NY where nyeuthi brothas are on the receiving end.

Hapa Ghenya you need to think outside the box use kidogo force as was so successfully demonstrated in PEV, and with SLDF, the Rastas and Wanugus, and the Mungiki. And if the police relax on the extrajudicial wananichi can always erect a quasi-judicial court at The Hague somewhere in Karatina

kunadawa then do not Cry a river when Ole campo comes calling. I learnt one thing never be the one taking orders to committ murders

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#28 Yesterday 12:08:08
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Re: Reality of Alston:Njamba wrote:
Mkuria wa Ntimaru,
I think you do not understand the game here. It is a zero sum game aimed at Kibaki and he must think on his feet or find himself like Taylor running to no where.
Either way I think the international community is doing the right thing by pressuring GCG to enact reforms coz the alternative is a genocide

Nothing will happen.

If Kibaki has to be a Taylor then his buddy Raila will also be on his side.

Stop lying to yourself that the world has no clue what happened in 07/08.

The Alston report will be milked for political expediency and nothing else.

Wako is going nowhere so or Ali, Kibaki, Raila…..

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#29 Yesterday 12:13:25
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Re: Reality of Alston:6% wrote:
Njamba wrote:
Mkuria wa Ntimaru,
I think you do not understand the game here. It is a zero sum game aimed at Kibaki and he must think on his feet or find himself like Taylor running to no where.
Either way I think the international community is doing the right thing by pressuring GCG to enact reforms coz the alternative is a genocide

Nothing will happen.

If Kibaki has to be a Taylor then his buddy Raila will also be on his side.

Stop lying to yourself that the world has no clue what happened in 07/08.

The Alston report will be milked for political expediency and nothing else.

Wako is going nowhere so or Ali, Kibaki, Raila…..

Pessisism is your Forte
I do not delude myself that nohting will happen change is a constant thing everywhere

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#30 Yesterday 12:21:16
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Re: Reality of Alston:Sit back and relax.

Kenya is a cesspool and is not going to change anytime soon.

The pigs love the filth.

There is an abundance of tribal enclaves for the criminals to take shelter.

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