The Confederate Flag a Kenyan Perspective


It is a matter of conjecture whether embracing confederate flag is a matter of national pride for the southern states in their quest for self determination that was defeated by the union soldiers. As a blackman the confederate flag evokes memories of slavery legacy and racism. It is no wonder that the other day I was irked when I saw a Hillbilly in surfside beach in South Carolina driving a Golf cart with a Huge Confederate flags hoisted. I wondered if the hillbilly would be offended at my presence in his state and beach. 

What are your feelings once you sight the confederate flag?

NB the Hillbilly was a Middle aged man of over 47 years

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13 thoughts on “The Confederate Flag a Kenyan Perspective

  1. You might be interested in the website http://www.confederatepastpresent.org which provides documentation on the meaning of the Confederate tradition, which basically is one of white supremacy.

  2. njamba says:

    Thanks – i agree it had nothing to do with state rights but more to continuation of unjust enrichment by enslaving Africans.

  3. TrueConfederate says:

    Sep 12th is Burn a Confederate flag day !

    Burn the flag of traitors?
    If by any stretch of the imagination anyone is going to burn the flag of traitors, or the flag of people who approved of slavery you should take care! If you are going to burn a flag that promoted racial supremacy and genocide the same caution should be used.
    The Stars and Stripes was the flag of Traitors to the British! This same flag protected the rights of all Americans North and South to own slaves. (From 1778 until 1865) The Stars and Stripes until 1964 allowed separate but equal to exist. Old Glory also promoted the extermination of Native Americans.

    The attack on Sumter Treason? An act of War ?
    “On December 6th, 1860, in recognition of the Sovereignty of the States of the South, the United States Government entered into a solemn Armistice with the officials of the State of South Carolina and on January 29th, 1861, the United States Government then entered into yet another solemn Armistice with the officials of the State of Florida. Both of these agreements were officially filed with the United States War and Navy Departments. In these agreements, the United States agreed not to attempt any reinforcement of Fort Sumter, Fort Pickens, the entire State of South Carolina and Florida. In return, the Confederate authorities agreed that there would be no attack on the Forts occupied by Union Forces as long as the agreements were observed to the letter. It was also understood by these agreements that any violation would be considered an act of war between the Confederacy and the United States. Additionally, it was understood by these agreements that any person visiting these fortifications, or areas covered by these agreements, with the intent to advise, plans, supply, reinforce or strengthen the fortifications that it too would be considered an act of war under the officially recognized and signed agreements”. *(1)
    Secession was not specifically addressed in the Constitution, Three states, New York, Rhode Island, and Virginia, expressly reserved their right to “reassume” the powers delegated to the federal government.

    Virginia joins the Union
    “We the Delegates of the People of Virginia duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly and now met in Convention having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention and being prepared as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us to decide thereon Do in the name and in behalf of the People of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination can be cancelled abridged restrained or modified by the Congress by the Senate or House of Representatives acting in any Capacity by the President or any Department or Officer of the United States except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes …”
    *(2) Without surrendering their sovereignty, the States ratified the Constitution, entering into a voluntary compact under it. In so doing, each State reserved for itself the full measure of sovereignty it held before joining the compact, and expressed that in the 10th amendment to the Constitution. State sovereignty meant that any or all of them had the right to freely withdraw from that compact whenever it became destructive of the ends for which it was established.

    Flag of the people who approved of slavery!
    “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”(LINCOLN)
    Racial Supremacy!
    Mr. Lincoln’s words –
    “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

    The Moral North ?

    *(1) The Revised Code of Indiana stated in 1862 that “Negroes and mulattos are not allowed to come into the state”; forbade the consummation of legal contracts with “Negroes and mulattos”; imposed a $500 fine on anyone who employed a black person; forbade interracial marriage; and forbade blacks from testifying in court against white persons.
    Illinois — the “land of Lincoln” — added almost identical restrictions in 1848, as did Oregon in 1857. Most Northern states in the 1860s did not permit immigration by blacks or, if they did, required them to post a $1,000 bond that would be confiscated if they behaved “improperly.”
    Senator Lyman Trimball of Illinois, a close confidant of Lincoln’s, stated that “our people want nothing to do with the Negro” and was a strong supporter of Illinois’ “black codes.” Northern newspapers were often just as racist as the Northern black codes were. The Philadelphia Daily News editorialized on November 22, 1860, that “the African is naturally the inferior race.” The Daily Chicago Times wrote on December 7, 1860, that “nothing but evil” has come from the idea of Abolition and urged everyone to return any escaped slave “to his master where he belongs.”
    On January 22, 1861, the New York Times announced that slavery would indeed be a “very tolerable system” if only slaves were allowed to legally marry, be taught to read, and to invest their savings. In short, the cartoonish notion that the Republican party was so incensed over racial discrimination in the South after the war that, in a fit of moral outrage, it trashed all constitutional precepts to dictatorially adopt the Fourteenth Amendment, should not be taken seriously. As Alexis de Tocqueville wrote in Democracy in America, it was obvious to all that racial prejudice was stronger in the North than it was in the South. “The prejudice of race,” wrote Tocqueville, “appears to be stronger in the states that have abolished slavery than in those where! *(1)

    Genocide?
    During the War Between the States, Lincoln, was waging war on women and children on two fronts. Old Abe’s thugs were raping, pillaging and murdering in the West as well as the South.. Lincoln’s generals Sheridan and Sherman committed war crimes. Sherman, famous for his “march to the sea,” had made a habit of waging war on civilians from early on. Dr. Thomas J. DiLorenzo, economics professor at Loyola College in Baltimore and historian and writer, tells us that Sherman once wrote to his wife that his purpose was the “extermination, not of soldiers alone…but of the people” of the South. Sherman often ordered his soldiers, many of whom were street criminals from Northern as well as European cities, to shoot civilians at random. He ordered his men to burn entire towns in Tennessee and Mississippi and of course Georgia. And the thousands of letters and diaries that survived the war attest to the rape of both black and white women by Sherman’s men.This war on citizens was not simply restrained to be applied against men and women but also children. Gen. Sherman in a June 21, 1864, letter to Lincoln’s Sec. of War, Edwin Station wrote, “There is a class of people men, women and children, who must be killed or banished before you can hope for peace and order.” Stanton replied, “Your letter of the 21st of June has just reached me and meets my approval.” While the war on civilians started much earlier than 1864, the above is simply proof that the war on children was part of that scheme!
    “It is one of those irreconcilable conflicts that will end only in one way, one or the other must be exterminated . . . . We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to the extermination, men, women and children The more Indians we can kill this year, the less will have to be killed next year they all have to be killed or be maintained as a species of paupers.”
    “We are not fighting against enemy armies but against an enemy people; both young and old, rich and poor must feel the iron hand of war . . .”
    *(1) T J Lorenzo *(2) Jerry C. Brewer

  4. ken says:

    Calling the kid a hillbilly was very crude. but by doing that you showed your true colors. For the kid and me the flag means things you will never understand such as pride in our ancestors, our heritage and a sense of belonging to a group of people that have pride in the way our ancestors fought a mighty army with unlimited resources of men and supplies. Yes we lost the war, but we still remember, and thats why we still fly that glorious banner the Confederate battle flag.

  5. njamba says:

    Ken, That is was no kid but a 47 and above man I meant GOLF Cart not Go kart see my revised blog

  6. ken says:

    I seriously doubt that the man in South Carolina riding a golf cart flying a Confederate flag would be offended seeing a Black man on the beach, You forget that we in the South have lived with Black people for over 400 years. Here in the so called black belt in Alabama Blacks outnumber Whites 4 to 1 in many small towns. Because we understand each other there is very little friction between the races. Many share the same last family name and have known each other for generations. There is no problem with our Confederate monuments and the flying of Confederate flags on Confederate memorial day at our courthouses.

  7. njamba says:

    Ken, so you are saying that Confederate flag does not offend Southern Blacks?

  8. ken says:

    Mississippi has the Confederate battle flag as part of their state flag. There was a election and over sixty percent voted to keep the state flag as is. In 1961 we observed the 100 year anniversary of the war. President Eisenhower encouraged the Southern states to fly the Confederate flag from their capital flag poles. Many did that and Alabama , South carolina continued this practice after the celebration was over. Soon we will observe the 150 year anniversary of the war. Are we going to celebrate without using the battle flag? The n.a.a.c.p has declared war on the flag with little results. The liberal media attacks the flag and now are beginning to demonize our heroes such as Robert E. Lee, Jeffrson Davis and Nathan Bedford Forrest. I think most Southern Blacks understand our history and the part they played in it. They know that most were slaves during this period and played an important role in the war effort.

  9. Ken,
    I see that you have gotten a lot of neo-Confederate commentary. Just remember, a great deal of what they say historically isn’t true. There statements are largely propagandistic. They also omit a lot of information. For example, Eisenhower, as general, opposed the integration of the armed forces.

    The centennial of the Civil war was 1961 to 1965, and Eisenhower was no longer president in 1961.

    Lots of baloney here.

    Ed

  10. ken says:

    Dwight d. Eisenhower Pres. of u.s. 1953-1961 Proclamation 3382[Civil War Centennial]I remember our centennial in Alabama. My wife and I made the trip to Montgomery and were excited to see this old city decorated with red white and blue bunting and a confederate flag on each light pole. Soon Gov. Patterson made his way down the street riding in a horse and carriage followed by hundreds dressed in Confederate gray and shouldering their muskets. The town ws packed with both Black and White waving their white handkerchefs. It really was a sight to behold. President Eisenhower did a good job planning this centennial and I hope Pres. Obama will do the same for the 150th centennial. ps. I do my own research and never believe what I read in newspapers, hear on radio or see on the evening news. We in the South have been lied about in the media for so long that we have to take every thing with a grain of salt. Thanks Ken

  11. baiskeli says:

    Fellow Kenyan here.

    The Confederate Flag stands for Slavery, pure and simple.

    A lot of people who fly it talk about it standing for States rights but that a load of crap (to put it politely). I have no interest in knowing anyone, talking to anyone etc who thinks its okay to fly the Confederate flag. And I have no problem in calling them racists. The whole respecting our ancestors argument is just as dumb as Germans glorifying the Nazi’s under the guise of honoring their achievements. I can understand people wanting to remember their ancestors but unless that rememberance (and there are some Southern Civil War scholars who do this correctly) bears an acknowledgement that said ancestors were fighing to preserve chattel slavery its but a myth.

    I’ve done a lot of reading on the Civil War, and by far the best book I’ve read is Battle Cry of Freedom – James McPherson, and also listening to David Blight’s (Yale University) 27 hours of lectures on the Civil War. I’ve also read Frederick Douglass’s books. I’ve also lived in the U.S for almost 2 decades.

    Once you scratch the surface its pretty obvious the States Rights argument is pretty much a red herring. Slavery, was the proximate and ultimate cause of the Civil War. A lot of Southern states, in their articles of secession, stated this fact plain and simple. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to justify flying a flag that stands for the enslavement of a whole race of people.

    A few excerpts (all the documents are available at (http://americancivilwar.com/documents/)

    ——————
    Georgia’s article of secession

    The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic….

    South Carolina


    The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

    Missisippi

    It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

    It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
    ….

    —————-
    And on and on it goes. These are their very own words as to why they felt the need to try and break up the U.S.

    • Don says:

      You can create an argument anywhere you want. If you are as concerned about accuracy and further your studies you will find that two of the largest plantations in the south, one outside of Charleston SC and outside New Oleans LA, were owned by black people. Don’t take my word for it look for yourself. No one alive now was a slave in the US. If the Confederate flag bothers you so much don’t go down south. Good or bad it is our heritage. Only a small percentage of people owned slaves, most of the others worked with them and befreinded them. Does this mean you hate the flags of the Africans that captured and sold the slaves also? Just wondering. I travel all over the US and have found that races get along better in the south than in other areas. However you have extemests from both races everywhere. The Black Panthers which is the black version of the KKK is more widely accepted by blacks, than the KKK is by whites. I live in South Carolina and have been swimming at beaches with blacks since I was born. A real strange fact is that alot of my friends and neighbors are ,yes, black. My ancestors are American Indian and European if I look hard enough I can surely find a reason to be offended but I would rather make a new friend or help someone out, or make someone laugh or smile. I can’t change being southern nor would I want to, and the confederate flag is a part of the history of my family. and we couldn’t afford or didn’t want slaves, but we were southern by the grace of God and I would not hide or deny it. The confederate flag can be viewed as to what great strides the black people in the US have made and how wonderful the people of America are. No person or race should ever be enslave or killed because of their skin color or religion, but it has happened several times in history. Lets not let it happen again. No one is without bad history if you are black it may have been your ancestors that sold their fellow tribes into slavery or owned slaves. or if you are white your ancestors may have owned slaves or if you are from up north your ancestors may have imported and sold slaves. When a black person sees a confederate flag instead of being angry, They should be proud of the impossible odds and obstacles that that familys before Them have overcome. FYI the Sons of Confederate Veterans have many black members that are very proud of their heritage. Slavery cause some of the riff but was not the reason for the Civil war. Hope this gives another angle of perspective that would be rather well recieved by all.

  12. baiskeli says:

    One more

    Texas

    Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery– the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits– a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

    In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color– a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

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